DMT 230: Pandora & CRB, Jay-Z, EU’s Copyright Directive, Jukely

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This week it was a pleasure to welcome Sophie Goossens (lawyer at August & Debouzy) and Darren Hemmings (founder of Motive Unknown) to the show.

On this penultimate instalment of our weekly appointments we start by chatting about a DMT all-time-favourite topic: Pandora’s quest for profitability and we also mention the latest CRB rate-setting procedures.

In other news, another round of Tidal-ness as we talk about Jay-Z’s tweets and wonder: should the company just stop with the hollow PR talk and come back in a couple of months with a more substantial plan?

We also discuss the EU Copyright Directive and the Digital Single Market initiative as PoliticoEU leaked some of the talking points of the upcoming announcement on the matter.

Finally we chat about live music subscriptions startup Jukely, as the company closes an $8m round and is set to expand to more cities.

I really hope you enjoy this week’s show, have a fantastic week and ’till next time!


Andrea Leonelli

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DMT 158: Gaga, Deezer, Fan Finder, Rap Genius, Mixcloud

This week on Digital Music Trends I chat with David Riley (Signature Brew), J Herskowitz (Tomahawk) and Darren Hemmings (Motive Unknown) about Lady Gaga’s ARTPOP release campaign, Deezer’s latest news, YouTube’s Fan Finder initiative, Rap Genius’s deals, Twitter advertising, Mixcloud’s new Android app and much more. You can find this week’s shownotes here.

I really hope you enjoy the show, have a great week and ’till next time.

Andrea Leonelli

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DMT 148: Spotify Connects, Twitter Commerce, Vevo & GEMA, Yahoo! redesigns Music & more…

This week on Digital Music Trends Andrea Leonelli, Kevin Breuner (CD Baby Marketing Director) and Mike McCready (MusicXray CEO) discuss the introduction of Spotify Connect, the hypothetical scenario of a musicians strike from streaming, Twitter’s new commerce focus with the appointment of Nathan Hubbard, artists’ demands on live audiences (for example the no mobiles/photos policy), Jay-Z premiering the “Holy Grail” video on Facebook, Trent Reznor’s Spin interview (he wants $10), Shazam’s new Twitter preview, the VMA sales lift for the artists performing (who got the most?) and what happened with Miley Cyrus, Vevo’s deal with GEMA, Yahoo Music’s redesign and Echo Nest back-end help and finally a cool project to get local U.S. libraries to help promote local music.

And you can find this week’s show notes with links to all the stories on…

I really hope you enjoy the show, have a great week and ’till next time!

This week’s show is sponsored by media law firm Sheridans, at, we thank them for their support of Digital Music Trends.

Andrea Leonelli

Show timeline:

00:24 Introduction
01:55 Mike talks about how he went about building his relationship with Future Music Forum it Barcelona, we chat about the conference
04:13 Kevin updates us on the latest news about CD Baby
05:50 Spotify unveils Spotify Connect. Many speaker manufacturers have jumped on board. Will the general public pay attention?
09:50 What could Spotify do to raise customer awareness about this function? Will people even realize that the option exists?
11:50 Looking at a Billboard piece on a hypothetical Spotify strike, is it a feasible possibility?
17:00 Where will streaming position itself in US over the next few years, and will it cause another wave of the abandonment of CD?
24:10 Will Twitter’s new commerce strategy help the music industry increase record/merchandising/ticket sales?
29:52 A few artists lately have been banning mobile phones from gigs, is it ok for artists to make such demands of fans? Is it even reasonable to think fans will stop carrying phones/cameras to gigs?
34:40 Jay-Z released his new video “Holy Grail” featuring Justin Timberlake exclusively on Facebook for the first 24 hours, was using Facebook as a video hosting platform a good move and what is Facebook’s play here?
37:53 Short break featuring our sponsors Sheridans
40:50 Sales projections for the acts that performed during the VMA’s. Does a boost on social media always lead to an increase in sales?
44:47 We chat a bit more about Nine Inch Nails after Trent Reznor’s new interview with Spin.
53:40 Vevo manages to strike a deal with GEMA and is set to launch in Germany
56:10 Yahoo relaunched, also went through with a deal with the Echo Nest, a music intelligence service, hoping to improve their music database system. Given Yahoo!’s huge traffic how relevant is it for music and should artists pay attention as to their positioning on the platform?
59:42 Hypebot picks up on local NPR coverage about local libraries building streamable and downloadable collections or digital music from local artists, will this drive music communities in small to medium sized towns?
1:02:45 Outro

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DMT 143: Spotify’s earnings, Softbank’s UMG bid, inaccurate headlines, Rdio and Live Nation

This week on Digital Music Trends it was a pleasure to welcome on the show Glenn Peoples, Editorial Analyst at Billboard and Dave Allen, Director of Insights and Digital Media at as well as bass player in British post-punk band Gang of Four.

We chat about Softbank’s bid for Universal Music, the inaccurate headlines made by the press on streaming and the music market, Spotify’s earnings for 2012, sustainability of streaming, Rdio’s partnership with Live Nation, Pandora facing FCC approval for radio acquisition and the importance of bringing music technology to young people for a creative outlet. You can find the shownotes with links to the stories here.

If you enjoy the show please make sure you subscribe on iTunes, any podcatcher or YouTube , and please send feedback or comments on what we talked about to Have a great week and ’till next time.

Andrea Leonelli

Show timeline:
00:13 Welcome and guest introduction
02:00 Japanese mobile carrier Softbank placed an $8.5 billion bid on Universal Music but Vivendi declined the offer. Is UMG really an appealing purchase for a corporate giant like Softbank? Does Universal hold a value as a brand in its own rights? 
10:00 Glenn you wrote a great piece which highlights some of the inaccurate statements and headlines that have been made in the press of late in regards to the digital music market and music streaming. How could generalizations be avoided and is it a case of being more specific with headlines as well?
17:50 And Spotify literally in the past hour filed its earnings for 2012, the company is still losing money but at a slower rate than its income increase so that has to be a positive sign right?
21:24 There was a great Op-Ed by David Macias from Thirty Tigers on Billboard on the hard numbers of streaming and looks at how if the US got anywhere near the penetration of streaming in Norway that would become a really sustainable income. This paints a rosier picture of streaming, but what are your thoughts?
25:28 In the US streaming companies are working hard to increase their customer base. Last week it was announced that Rdio would sponsor the page and become the default service on the site as well as a couple of Live Nation’s country music festivals. What’s your take on the deal will we see more of these in the next few months?
30:20 Glenn do you feel it’s strange to see a company that is relatively small like Rdio sponsor the site of a giant like Live Nation?
31:32 And we can see here Rdio is targeting Country Music fans and the differences in purchasing habits between genres are indeed staggering. Dave and Glenn look at the evolution of Soundscan and how its advent affected charts and niches.
38:45 Pandora is now facing some issues with the FCC for its purchase of KXMZ-FM in South Dakota since ASCAP filed a complaint that could delay approval. Did Pandora shoot itself in the foot by being so open about its intentions with the terrestrial radio?
42:00 And finally a positive story coming out of Washington DC on the Martin Luther King JR Public Library working with Beat Club DC, a one-man digital music workshop working with elementary and high-school students to educate them about making music.

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DMT 141: The Godrich/Yorke Streaming Debate, Scandinavia living the future, AT&T Leaps into Muve

This week on Digital Music Trends an extended panel including Martyn Davies (SendGrid, Music Hack Day), Eric Eitel and Andrea Goetzke (all2gethernow, Berlin Music Week), Duncan Geere ( and Darren Hemmings (Motive Unknown).

Given the heated debate generated by Nigel Godrich’s and Thom Yorke’s tweets about Spotify over the weekend in the first half of the show we take a step back and look at/discuss the different points of view that transpired in the press over the past few days. Also on the show we chat about Norway and Sweden’s incredible recorded music revenue growth in the first half of 2013, the acquisition of Leap Wireless (and by proxy Muve Music) by AT&T and what that could mean for the Daisy partnership rumors, the first-week results of Jay-Z’s Magna Carta Holy Grail – a roaring success?, Europe’s slow progress towards pan-European licensing, Apple releasing Logic X and much more.

Thanks for watching/listening, have a great week and ’till next time
Andrea Leonelli

00:18 Introduction and guests introduction
02:20 Nigel Godrich and Tom Yorke VS Spotify: a read-through the tweets that started the story and what was your first reaction when you heard of this?
09:45 A few of the articles written in the past few days address what artists expect from streaming services and whether they should expect to make money from them. What are your thoughts on current rates and artist expectations?
16:20 Has this debate been going on in Germany as well and did it start back when Simfy was popular or is it more recent?
18:30 Duncan in your piece on TechRadar you disagree with the point that Spotify is bad for new music and your points revolve around low barrier of entry and piracy prevention, can you elaborate on those arguments?
20:50 There were a couple of interesting points made one from the CEO of Ticketmaster calling from unionization of musicians to provide a united front when it comes from dealing with streaming services, and one from Stuart Dredge bringing the focus on what Spotify can do to help new bands and improving the platform’s value to them, is there scope to do more?
29:00 And just to put a wild idea out there since there’s already an infrastructure in place on Spotify to serve advertising to non-paying subscribers, would it make sense for part of that infrastructure to be used to promote the artist’s own tickets, merch or release when a paying subscriber is listening to their music?
32:20 Staying on streaming, Norway and Sweden just posted two digit increases in total recorded music revenues due to streaming in the first half of 2013. And once again the question, is there anything we can take away from this success story or are the factors driving growth in these territories a very narrow non-replicable set of circumstances?
35:00 As far as Germany is concerned with physical being still such a large part of the market do you think in time there’s a chance of things heading in this direction?
36:00 Going back to the UK Darren and Martyn what you think about Duncan’s theory that we’re just a few years in the past and Britain may soon be in a similar situation as Norway and Sweden?
40:25 AT&T buys Leap Wireless which is the owner of Muve Music, do you think this is relevant to the rumors of a deal between AT&T and Daisy? Would it be feasible for the carrier to offer two different services (one premium, one low-cost) to its users?
47:47 Andrea and Eric talk about the Berlin Music Week conference they are organizing taking place on the 5th and 6th of September.
49:00 And hopefully the last feature on Jay-Z’s Magna Carta Holy Grail, the album has done very well with over half a million sales in the first week and setting a Spotify record with 14 million plays. Will the apparent lack of cannibalization from the album giveaway and subsequent success of the release pave the way for more deals like the one he made with Samsung?
55:00 For the first time the European Parliament Committee for Legal Affairs has approved unanimously proposals for a new framework allowing easy pan-European licensing of music, is this a step forward?
57:20 And finally Logic X is out, first release in 4 years from Apple
01:00:00 Guest projects, thanks and outro