Digital Music Trends 146 Andrea Leonelli, Andy Malt, Adam Webb

DMT 146: Germany’s up, iTunes Radio Ads, Daisy’s playlists, Bandpage, Rdio

This week on Digital Music Trends Andrea Leonelli, Adam Webb, and Andy Malt chat about Germany’s 1.5% rise in recorded revenues in the first half of 2013, iTunes Radio’s advertising partners, Beats Electronics looking for alternatives to HTC, Daisy’s curation, Bandpage’s deal with Xbox Music and Vevo, Soundcloud’s Google+ integration, Rdio introducing Stations, Virgin Atlantic’s gigs in the air and Google Play Music All Access debuting in Europe!
For links to the stories check out the shownotes.

This week’s show is sponsored by media law firm Sheridans, at, we thank them for their support of Digital Music Trends.

I really hope you enjoy the show, have a great week and ’till next time!

Andrea Leonelli

DMT 146 Timeline:

00:45 Introduction of guests
01:10 Discussion around the 1.5% rise in Germany’s recorded music sales
03:22 Streaming revenues in Germany doubled compared to last year
06:10 Rapidshare blamed for music piracy and will have to start monitoring external links to files stored within the server. Is this ruling by the German federal court practical?
09:45 Apple releasing iTunes radio. Major blue-chip corporations have joined the campaign. Will this Pandora-like model succeed compared to Apple’s previous attempts?
11:50 Will the pattern of ads that will be shown on iTunes radio help or hinder them. We compare it to traditional radio and Spotify.
13:30 Will it hinder Apple by having such big corporations as sponsors, could advertising have been more targeted if they had been open to more advertisers?
15:00 Rumours of Beats Electronics ditching HTC, their biggest stakeholders. Is it a good idea for Beats to find a better deal with another company for e.g. Samsung?
17:00 Would HTC dig itself a bigger hole if it was to let Beats go?
18:30 Gigaom uncovered some details on the process of playlist curation spear headed by Daisy, will it differentiate them from other streaming services?
23:00 Short ad break from Digital Music Trends’ sponsor Sheridans.
25:50 Bandpage’s transformation into being the “Swiss knife of band’s widgets”. Partnership with Vevo and Xbox Music. How will this help artists and can this be a good strategy for Bandcamp as a company?
30:00 Lady Gaga’s new single got leaked, Universal and Gaga appealed their fans to post links of all pirate links, yet the single did not sell as well ‘Roar’ by Katy Perry.
33:20 In terms of timing, Lady Gaga’s single was released quicker than intended, do you think it resulted in a loss in sales or is the song to blame?
39:20 Soundcloud announces Google+ integration. How important is direct access such as this?
44:50 Rdio steps up internet radio presence. Will the Stations tab alter your listening habit?
50:41 Virgin Atlantic Red Flights to provide live entertainment to unsuspecting customers. Is it really a good idea?
53:00 Google Play Music All Access launching in UK and other parts of Europe. It seems like a great idea but they do not have an IOS app yet, can it still be successful? Or is it only good for Android users?
56:20 Outro

Digital Music Trends 145 Best of Show January to July 2013

DMT 145: Best of 2013 so far…Daisy, Google Play, Twitter Music, MySpace, iTunes Radio, Jay-Z

This week on Digital Music Trends a massive Best Of show spanning January to July 2013. I picked extracts covering the biggest stories of the year so far and created a rumors-to-announcement-to-release summary of the discussions on the likes of Google Play Music All Access, Twitter Music and iTunes Radio. Other stories covered include the upcoming Daisy streaming service, the re-launch of MySpace, Jay-Z’s Magna Carta Holy Grail release and the latest on Spotify.

Appearing on the show are David Emery (Beggars Group), Duncan Geere, Will Mills (Shazam), Syd Lawrence (, Karim Fanous (Music Ally), Steve Knopper (Rolling Stone), Sitar Teli (Connect Ventures), Nikke Osterback (Saari Music), Stuart Dredge (Music Ally), Darren Hemmings (Motive Unknown), Jeff Price (Audiam), J Herskowitz (Tomahawk), Marcus Taylor (Venture Harbor), Dave Allen (, Eliot Van Buskirk (, Ben Sisario (New York Times), Matthew Hawn, Stephen O’Reilly (Topspin, Mobile Roadie), Virginie Berger (Don’t Believe the Hype), Adam Webb, Richard Kirstein (Resilient Music), Eric Eitel (all2gethernow) , Andrea Groetzke (all2gethernow), Martyn Davies (SendGrid), Glenn Peoples (Billboard), Clyde Smith (Hypebot), Jim Carrol (Irish Times), Alejandro Mairin (MusicPimpBlog), Tom Satchwell (Beatsontoast). See below for a detailed timeline.

I hope you enjoy the show, if you did please pass it on to a colleague, friend or like minded digital music geek! Have a great week and ’till next time.

Andrea Leonelli

Below a timeline of the show:
00:10 Intro
01:39 Music streaming service Daisy, from the announcement in January to the latest news…
18:50 the MySpace relaunch backed by Justin Timberlake was a hot item in the first few months of 2013…
30:00 The announcement of Twitter Music was highly anticipated, but how did it go down?
41:00 Google Play Music All Access was still just a rumor back in February when we first talked about it, watch the story unfold all the way up to launch…
01:02:30 Spotify acquired Tunigo…
01:06:38 Spotify came under scrutiny after Nigel Godrich’s remarks on streaming (echoed by Thom Yorke), here’s the big streaming debate!
01:18:23 Spotify’s 2012 financial results…
01:22:06 iTunes Radio, from the days when we were still calling it iRadio to the announcement…
01:45:00 Jay-Z’s Samsung partnership and the release of Magna Carta Holy Grail, from announcement to week 1 sales.

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DMT 143: Spotify’s earnings, Softbank’s UMG bid, inaccurate headlines, Rdio and Live Nation

This week on Digital Music Trends it was a pleasure to welcome on the show Glenn Peoples, Editorial Analyst at Billboard and Dave Allen, Director of Insights and Digital Media at as well as bass player in British post-punk band Gang of Four.

We chat about Softbank’s bid for Universal Music, the inaccurate headlines made by the press on streaming and the music market, Spotify’s earnings for 2012, sustainability of streaming, Rdio’s partnership with Live Nation, Pandora facing FCC approval for radio acquisition and the importance of bringing music technology to young people for a creative outlet. You can find the shownotes with links to the stories here.

If you enjoy the show please make sure you subscribe on iTunes, any podcatcher or YouTube , and please send feedback or comments on what we talked about to Have a great week and ’till next time.

Andrea Leonelli

Show timeline:
00:13 Welcome and guest introduction
02:00 Japanese mobile carrier Softbank placed an $8.5 billion bid on Universal Music but Vivendi declined the offer. Is UMG really an appealing purchase for a corporate giant like Softbank? Does Universal hold a value as a brand in its own rights? 
10:00 Glenn you wrote a great piece which highlights some of the inaccurate statements and headlines that have been made in the press of late in regards to the digital music market and music streaming. How could generalizations be avoided and is it a case of being more specific with headlines as well?
17:50 And Spotify literally in the past hour filed its earnings for 2012, the company is still losing money but at a slower rate than its income increase so that has to be a positive sign right?
21:24 There was a great Op-Ed by David Macias from Thirty Tigers on Billboard on the hard numbers of streaming and looks at how if the US got anywhere near the penetration of streaming in Norway that would become a really sustainable income. This paints a rosier picture of streaming, but what are your thoughts?
25:28 In the US streaming companies are working hard to increase their customer base. Last week it was announced that Rdio would sponsor the page and become the default service on the site as well as a couple of Live Nation’s country music festivals. What’s your take on the deal will we see more of these in the next few months?
30:20 Glenn do you feel it’s strange to see a company that is relatively small like Rdio sponsor the site of a giant like Live Nation?
31:32 And we can see here Rdio is targeting Country Music fans and the differences in purchasing habits between genres are indeed staggering. Dave and Glenn look at the evolution of Soundscan and how its advent affected charts and niches.
38:45 Pandora is now facing some issues with the FCC for its purchase of KXMZ-FM in South Dakota since ASCAP filed a complaint that could delay approval. Did Pandora shoot itself in the foot by being so open about its intentions with the terrestrial radio?
42:00 And finally a positive story coming out of Washington DC on the Martin Luther King JR Public Library working with Beat Club DC, a one-man digital music workshop working with elementary and high-school students to educate them about making music.

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DMT 142: Piracy ads cut, six warnings, Gig-it launch, Pandora’s bill, Aimee Mann’s suit

This week on Digital Music Trends I had the pleasure to welcome Kristelia Garcia (Washington Law School), Zack Greenburg (Forbes) and Zach Carter (Huffington Post). We chat about the new private initiative lead by the White House that saw web giants like Google, Yahoo! and AOL commit to cut advertising payouts to websites that contain primarily pirated content. We also discuss the Center for Copyright Information with its the six-step warning system to illegal downloaders that has been agreed in the US by a few ISPs, a new music gaming startup called Gig-It, the upcoming hearings for the Copyright Review, Pandora and the potential of new Internet Radio-related bills reaching Congress this year, Aimee Mann’s lawsuit against MediaNet and the issues around orphan works.

I hope you enjoy the show, have a great week and ’till next time!

Andrea Leonelli

00:15 Guests introduction
01:30 The White House Intellectual Property coordinator Victoria Espinel announced a new privately-led initiative to reduce the amount of ad money flowing to piracy-based websites.
How do you feel about this new development, is it a victory for the music industry and will it have any effect?
04:20 How do you feel the labels are going to perceive this move?
06:09 In light of the PRISM revelations over the past month one has to wonder if it’s a good time to talk about a joint initiative between the government and the biggest internet service providers in the world, is that a fair comment to make?
09:25 In February a six-strikes system started seeing the light in the US as part of the Center for Copyright Information which includes RIAA, MPAA and 5 of the largest ISPs. What do you know about the Center and what it its mandate?
Maybe we should start thinking about a rewards system, the stick hasn’t really worked so far.
13:00 Talking about Time Warner (which from what I’ve heard in New York does not have shining reviews anyway) how will consumers react when they start receiving these notices?
14:40 Is this just an appeasement proposition and does it exist for any reason other than making the RIAA and MPAA happy?
16:26 Kristelia talking about the Copyright Review you mentioned there are going to be some hearings tomorrow from artist that you’ll be going to, can you tell us a bit more about what’s going to happen?
19:05 Is there a place where you can keep track of what’s happening on that front and at the hearings?
20:06 Zack you recently published a story on Forbes on the company Gig-it which is a Rockband meets Farmville concept as you describe it, can you tell us a little bit about it?
28:35 Pandora, is the company going to push for a rehash of the Internet Radio Fairness Act this year?
32:00 How do you see Pandora moving to improve its PR over the next few months?
36:20 On the other side of the spectrum there are people within the industry pushing to get terrestrial radio to start paying for use of music, is this a feasible outlook?
41:30 Aimee Mann has filed a lawsuit against MediaNet for distributing her works without a license. Are we going to see more of these lawsuits in the next few years as more artists start looking granularly at where their music has ended up and track payments from individual services?
45:09 Orphan works is an issue that could be addressed early on in the copyright review, as part of that a database holding data on copyright would be an important step towards working out who owns what, is this a feasible project or is it too big of an undertaking for a government agency to take on?
50:25 From what you hear on the ground are companies still finding it hard to seek out rights holders?
51:40 Guest projects, outdo

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DMT 141: The Godrich/Yorke Streaming Debate, Scandinavia living the future, AT&T Leaps into Muve

This week on Digital Music Trends an extended panel including Martyn Davies (SendGrid, Music Hack Day), Eric Eitel and Andrea Goetzke (all2gethernow, Berlin Music Week), Duncan Geere ( and Darren Hemmings (Motive Unknown).

Given the heated debate generated by Nigel Godrich’s and Thom Yorke’s tweets about Spotify over the weekend in the first half of the show we take a step back and look at/discuss the different points of view that transpired in the press over the past few days. Also on the show we chat about Norway and Sweden’s incredible recorded music revenue growth in the first half of 2013, the acquisition of Leap Wireless (and by proxy Muve Music) by AT&T and what that could mean for the Daisy partnership rumors, the first-week results of Jay-Z’s Magna Carta Holy Grail – a roaring success?, Europe’s slow progress towards pan-European licensing, Apple releasing Logic X and much more.

Thanks for watching/listening, have a great week and ’till next time
Andrea Leonelli

00:18 Introduction and guests introduction
02:20 Nigel Godrich and Tom Yorke VS Spotify: a read-through the tweets that started the story and what was your first reaction when you heard of this?
09:45 A few of the articles written in the past few days address what artists expect from streaming services and whether they should expect to make money from them. What are your thoughts on current rates and artist expectations?
16:20 Has this debate been going on in Germany as well and did it start back when Simfy was popular or is it more recent?
18:30 Duncan in your piece on TechRadar you disagree with the point that Spotify is bad for new music and your points revolve around low barrier of entry and piracy prevention, can you elaborate on those arguments?
20:50 There were a couple of interesting points made one from the CEO of Ticketmaster calling from unionization of musicians to provide a united front when it comes from dealing with streaming services, and one from Stuart Dredge bringing the focus on what Spotify can do to help new bands and improving the platform’s value to them, is there scope to do more?
29:00 And just to put a wild idea out there since there’s already an infrastructure in place on Spotify to serve advertising to non-paying subscribers, would it make sense for part of that infrastructure to be used to promote the artist’s own tickets, merch or release when a paying subscriber is listening to their music?
32:20 Staying on streaming, Norway and Sweden just posted two digit increases in total recorded music revenues due to streaming in the first half of 2013. And once again the question, is there anything we can take away from this success story or are the factors driving growth in these territories a very narrow non-replicable set of circumstances?
35:00 As far as Germany is concerned with physical being still such a large part of the market do you think in time there’s a chance of things heading in this direction?
36:00 Going back to the UK Darren and Martyn what you think about Duncan’s theory that we’re just a few years in the past and Britain may soon be in a similar situation as Norway and Sweden?
40:25 AT&T buys Leap Wireless which is the owner of Muve Music, do you think this is relevant to the rumors of a deal between AT&T and Daisy? Would it be feasible for the carrier to offer two different services (one premium, one low-cost) to its users?
47:47 Andrea and Eric talk about the Berlin Music Week conference they are organizing taking place on the 5th and 6th of September.
49:00 And hopefully the last feature on Jay-Z’s Magna Carta Holy Grail, the album has done very well with over half a million sales in the first week and setting a Spotify record with 14 million plays. Will the apparent lack of cannibalization from the album giveaway and subsequent success of the release pave the way for more deals like the one he made with Samsung?
55:00 For the first time the European Parliament Committee for Legal Affairs has approved unanimously proposals for a new framework allowing easy pan-European licensing of music, is this a step forward?
57:20 And finally Logic X is out, first release in 4 years from Apple
01:00:00 Guest projects, thanks and outro